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  Pastor Russell Part Snake Oil Salesman, Tightwad, And Fanatical Religious Writer

  by frankiespeakin in

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  he developed a printing corporation in which he was able to expond on his fanatical bible interpetations in print.

  having gained considerable wealth at an early age managing a chain of clothing stores for men, he reinvested his wealth and tried his hand at running a printing corporation in which a dooms day warning figured prominantly.. he kept his readers glued to his fanatical writings by giving dates for when the end of the world would come.

  eventually due to his style of writting it wasn't long before his dedicated readers started calling him the faithful wise servant, which in turn increased profitablity of the corporation.

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  wickedpedia is a poor source and frequently wrong. try: http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/
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  A peek into the history of fanatical BLOOD DOCTRINE origins

  by Terry in

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  2. beliefs

  section one.

  is watchtower doctrine on blood transfusions rooted in one or more of the following?:.

  blood transfusions were the next target.. _________ _____________ ____________________.

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  A mostly hidden bit of this history concerns a Witness patient whom his two Witness doctors thought needed a blood transfusion. This was in 1945 as I recall. The patient refused citing the scripture in Acts. One of the doctors, later a missionary to Mexico, wrote to the society seeking their assistance. The Society wrote back saying the Witness patient was right and the first blood transfusion articles followed. I think we can lay the blame at F. W. Franz's door.
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  JW apologist Emeth dismisses teachings of Russell as irrelevant, uninspired and even funny.. Maybe in the future jw's will say the same about todays Governing Body?

  by The Quiet One in

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  2. beliefs

  emeth said: "russell never claimed to be a inspired prophet or without any failures or mistakes.

  he was just a human as much as i and you are.

  he is just a person who started a process of digging and searching for bible truths.

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  "ALso lets not forget how he became head of WT, contrary to what we were told, his father and a banker owned the majority of WT shares before he inherited it and did his own thing"

  The original organizational document dated Feb 1881 shows that Russell contributed the bulk of the founding money. Reports to the contrary are mistaken. The document was recently displayed in Brooklyn for a period. It showed A. D Jones contributing 2000, J. L. Russell contributed 1000; W. H. Conley 4000; and C. T. Russell 7000 dollars. Each paid in half up front.

  According to R. M. de Vienne, one of the historians behind the Truthhistory blog, Conley was chosen president not because he contributed the most money, but because he was more widely known. His name gave weight to a small, new tract society. When the Watch Tower Society was incorporated, the concept of a share for each ten dollar donation was introduced. Russell held the bulk of shares until about 1907. There was no provision in the original 1881 document for "shares."

  Pittsburgh PA, Feb’y 1881

  We the undersigned – believing that much good can be accomplished and many people be brought to see the great loving plans of our heavenly Father, by a judicious and thorough use of tracts and reading matter treating on some of the salient points of our belief, as we find it to be gloriously and graciously revealed in our Father’s word, do hereby combine and unite our energies etc. for the purpose of so publishing and distributing “Zion’s Watch Tower” tracts etc.

  The Lord willing and aiding us we purpose distributing said tracts etc. in all the large cities (north) of the United States and in the principal ones of Great Britain etc. etc. as the Lord of the harvest shall open the way and reveal his will.

  This work will require millions of pages of tracts costing thousands of dollars; it will require thousands of distributors costing other thousands of dollars. (The purpose complying with the words of the Lord “Owe no man any thing” and will contract no debts.) And we the signers of this paper willingly contribute toward this fund the amounts set opposite our names. The money which we contribute is not ours, it belongs to Him whose we are – We gave it when we gave ourselves and our all to him. We now act as God’s “stewards” in distributing of His goods to His praise and glory and for the preaching of the good news to thousands who are in darkness and being (as we once were) led into infidelity and unbelief through the misrepresentations made concerning the character and plan of our loving Father.

  Of the sum which we have set opposite our names we “stewards” of the manyfold grace (favors) of God will pay one half in cash and one half on demand after six months to the publisher of “Zion’s Watch Tower” who agrees to keep a strict acc’t of all moneys received and expended; and to make a showing of same to any of the subscribers to the fund whenever desired..

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/
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  JW apologist Emeth dismisses teachings of Russell as irrelevant, uninspired and even funny.. Maybe in the future jw's will say the same about todays Governing Body?

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  emeth said: "russell never claimed to be a inspired prophet or without any failures or mistakes.

  he was just a human as much as i and you are.

  he is just a person who started a process of digging and searching for bible truths.

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  The soon to be released book by historians Schulz and deVienne shows that Russell started nothing. Russell did not claim to have an original idea. He claimed to have chosen the best of what was avialable in the various creeds. The governing body and Watch Tower Society want to distance themselves from Russell. This is a shameful rejection of their own past.

  I doubt that "genteel" knows his own history.

  I hope that more original and accurate research such as that by Schulz and deVienne dispells the myths that surround Russell and his sometimes really creepy associates.

  You should visit this web page http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/
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  Did Jehovah's Witnesses Plagiarize HWA's False Prophecy Of 1975?

  by Bangalore in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  did jehovah's witnesses plagiarize hwa's false prophecy of 1975?.

  http://livingarmstrongism.blogspot.com/2013/10/did-jehovahs-witnesses-plagiarize-hwas.html.

  bangalore.

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  A date in the mid 1970s was talked about among Witnesses in the late 1940s. Marcus Bach mentions this in one of his books, and I certainly remember it. The book New Heavens and New Earth (1953) had a chart in the back that furthered the discussion. As I recall there was a similar table in one of the 1954 Watchtowers. The 1975 fiasco ows nothing to the Armstrongites and everything to F. W. Franz's wild imagination.
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  Question About 607BCE and How That Date Was Picked - Help JW Scholars

  by Comatose in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i've been sharing some a little at a time with my sister.

  she is married and very scared of actually learning too much.

  she doesn't want to ruin her marriage.

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  606 was a commonly used date in the 19th Century. It came to Russell through E. B. Elliott's Horae. 607 was an alternate date that accounted for the "no year zero" problem. Much of this story is told in Schulz and De Vienne: Nelson Barbour: The Millennium's Forgotten Prophet. It's on Barnes and Noble as an ebook, lulu.com has paperback. It's well worth the money.
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  Russell's love interest?

  by Old Goat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i tried to start this topic earlier, but it fell into a black hole.

  go read the first article here http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

  jennie smith?

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  Old Goat

  I tried to start this topic earlier, but it fell into a black hole. Go read the first article here http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/

  Jennie Smith? Who knew?
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  The Real Aftermath of the AGM...Part 2

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  for the ones based in britain only the "few" were invited to attend the agm .they received their new grey bible and the rumor was that the new bible will not be available for the rest of the congragations until january .it was confirmed tonight .a letter was read as local announcement that the new bibles will not be available until the end of january for the rest of the congragation .all the in crowd were sat there with their new flashy bible looking smug.also the bible reading was read from the new bible to make it all the more obvious ..... the real aftermath of agm....

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  The elders here bared an aged, infirm sister from attending because she is no longer able to 'go out in service." She's been a faithful witness since 1952. Explain to me why loving kindnes should take second place to a public ministry that in now way resembles that of the first century.
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  Yearbook 1927 reports... so racist and ignorant!!

  by ILoveTTATT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  brazil.

  necessarily in a catholic and priest-ridden country,.

  wherein the greater part of the population possess a. small degree of intelligence, the giving of the witness is.

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  The phrase "speak american" was common from just before World War I to the mid 1930s. There was persistent antagonism between Americans and Brits, especially the English. In the late 19th Century they almost went to war over the Alabama affair. Understand that they were not allies in World War One, They were best described as Associated Powers, and there was significant ill feeling between the two nations. If Germany hadn't been stupid and had produced propaganda as vivid and well done as the English, American would have let the UK twist in the wind. Antagonism lead to an assertion of American identity down to language. Americans used the phrase "speak American" to separate themselves from English culture. Friction was so great that by 1935 it looked as if the US and the UK would go to war. Both sides made serious war plans. In the UK the phrase "speak American" was used as a sneering insult.

  I'm sure our hispanic poster did not know this. But when one wears one's ethnic identity as if it were a star of David, then one will take offense without pursuing the facts.

  There are many things over which to fault the Watchtower Society. This isn't one of them.
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  What level of IQ does one have, to beleive " TRUTH " changes. ? or old "Light " old truths " New Light " new truths " ?

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  okay, i never went to university , or had a college education, though i`m damn sure that "truth" is "truth" and it never changes.. if you" beleived "something was the truth in the past and now found out it was not correct , you cant say it was an" old " truth ,it must have been wrong/false reasoning in the first place......so it was never really the truth.. sure you can be aware of a "new" truth something you never knew beforehand , though whether you knew it or not ,it has always been a truth.

  example:the earth was the centre of the universe ,beleived as a truth.........that beleif was false , it was not an old truth.. if their was something you beleived before as true and you now find it wasnt true , then it was false / untrue .. their is no such thing as an "old truth " and a "new truth" that is apparently accepted by jehovahs witnesses .. if jehovahs witnesses were as honest as they profess , then they would acknowledge when they make adjustments to their beleifs/doctrines that they were wrong in their initial understanding of said scriptures instead of passing it off as old truths or new light.. i was a witness for 33 years before it became obvious something was just not right with this religion and it took another 10-12 years before i found this site , that set me free.

  so i ask , is it an iq level ?

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